vBadvanced CMPS and vBulletin 4 Series

[1361]

I keep hearing about this new vB-4 series and it's new CMS.
Is it just integrating vBadvanced into vB?

[CareyCrew]

No.

Jelsoft are working on a CMS system of their own. Read about it at vBulletin.com

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[evilbish19]

What will happen with vBAdvanced?

[CareyCrew]

No doubt it will carry on . vB/Jelsoft have introduced other features like albums and blogs but they are sadly lacking in features which is why there are so many people that continue using 3rd party addons.

No-one has any idea what the vBulletin CMS will entail so until that is known no judgements can be made.

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[evilbish19]

Oh, alright...To be honest, I'd probably continue using vbAdvanced -anyway-.

I know how to use it and I'm too lazy to learn how to use another CMS. :D

[KW802]

Brian has already committed that vBa CMPS will indeed live on and will be around for the foreseeable future. :cool:

[MRGTB]

To be honest I really don't get it. Brian was offering vBadvanced for Free to fill the CMS gap that vBulletin didn't fill themselves, but why continue with it now when vBulletin 4 finally has a CMS product in the works. By this I mean, I could understand Brian's statement if vBadvanced was being sold by him (loss revenue and all that) from sales "if he did pulled it". Pretty much like the situation vBSEO are in now.

But seeing as vBadvanced is free, and it's costing bandwidth to serve it for download to people, plus the CMS gap is no longer needed anymore. I just don't understand why he would want to continue with it from here on in. All that's going to happen now is people are going to start removing vBadvanced to make way for the official vBCMS instead, even though it's not free.

Seems a little strange to me to continue with it, when demand for it is going drop rapidly once the vBCMS is released.

[CareyCrew]

To be honest I really don't get it. Brian was offering vBadvanced for Free to fill the CMS gap that vBulletin didn't fill themselves, but why continue with it now when vBulletin 4 finally has a CMS product in the works. By this I mean, I could understand Brian's statement if vBadvanced was being sold by him (loss revenue and all that) from sales "if he did pulled it". Pretty much like the situation vBSEO are in now.

But seeing as vBadvanced is free, and it's costing bandwidth to serve it for download to people, plus the CMS gap is no longer needed anymore. I just don't understand why he would want to continue with it from here on in. All that's going to happen now is people are going to start removing vBadvanced to make way for the official vBCMS instead, even though it's not free.

Seems a little strange to me to continue with it, when demand for it is going drop rapidly once the vBCMS is released.

Why will demand drop rapidly?

Why do you think that everyone will update to v4? Thousands of users will never move over.You still see sites running the first editions of v3.

What is in the vBulletin CMS? Does it have all the features of vBA? How do you know what people will want ? Will owners be able to just port their content over to the new CMS or are they going to have to rewrite everything?

As to vBSEO ,does the new vBulletin SEO deliver the same features? Do you know what is included?

People want choice,do you see authors giving up because a new photogallery or ad management system comes out?

Look at all the mods at vB.org ,there are so many versions of the same thing there,does everyone use the same thing?

Going on your principals there would only be one blogging software,one forum software etc, everyone else would give up and go home.

Just to add......... have you thought about all the customised sites? Most addons using any output through templates will have to be rewritten for v4,so, all the features in use that are mods/addons etc. and are not available as standard from vB itself become unusable, do you really see a mass exodus to the latest version, I certainly don't.

[MRGTB]

I understand there are many people using earlier versions of the vBulletin 3 branch, but you need to remember that Brian is no longer working on a CMS for these earlier version right now in the latest CMS version. There using older version of the CMS which is not really supported anymore as the latest and current version.

[CareyCrew]

I understand there are many people using earlier versions of the vBulletin 3 branch, but you need to remember that Brian is no longer working on a CMS for these earlier version right now in the latest CMS version. There using older version of the CMS which is not really supported anymore as the latest and current version.

........ and nor are vbulletin/Jelsoft. The new CMS will not be of use or available to anyone staying on v3.x.x. .

v4 is new ground and any large or customised site is not going to be able to just switch over, take a look at vB.org and see where they are ..... v 3.6.?

Sorry but your post intimates that vBAdvanced and vBSEO are doomed as soon as v4 is released, this will not be the case.

As to vBA CMPS being free,it always was so where does the bandwidth drain come in? The product is extremely popular and brings in users that buy services and the other products offered here,Brian would not be running vBA if it were a loss maker.

[MRGTB]

Your putting your words into my mouth now, I'm not saying their doomed at all. The point I'm trying to say is that most people will want to upgrade to vBulletin 4 when it's released. My guess is the only people that won't are people who have large forums using earlier vB 3 versions, which are heavily modded, and they are happy to stay as they are.

The thing is though, most people upgrading or installing vBulletin 4 from new will want to use the official CMS with it. Surely you can see that, regardless if it's free or paid. People always want to use the official products first if they are available for use for a large number of reasons

And the people left using vBa on earlier version of vBulletin have no reason to come here anymore because Brian is not releasing updates for previous older versions of the CMS.

[KW802]

The thing is though, most people upgrading or installing vBulletin 4 from new will want to use the official CMS with it. Surely you can see that, regardless if it's free or paid. People always want to use the official products first if they are available for use for a large number of reasons.That statement is a tad short-sighted.

I am sure that some people will switch to the vB CMS product when it is released, but for many thousands of other people, vBa CMPS will continue to serve their needs just fine. When vB4 comes out, if you want to use the vB CMS product, then use it. If you want to continue using vBa CMPS, then use it. The choice will be there.

Brian has committed to continuing to provide & support for free one of the most popular vBulletin add-ons ever. Why somebody would select to question that commitment seems a tad odd.

[motowebmaster]

Personally, I pay for CMPS in order to obtain a brand-free license. For me, it's premium software.

However, it is significant percentage of those that utilize a free/branded license that will likely attempt to switch first when vb's cms product is first released. Even if it's buggy and creates havoc, there will be those that would rather go that route than to be conservative and stick with what works.

If vb's new CMS is wonderful and innovative, as previously pointed out it doesn't mean the world will switch to vb4 right away. Besides, we'll still be using the other great products here.

[GregoryK]

For me it will all depend on pricing. If I have to pay a huge amount just to get vb4 and it's cms I'll stick with what I'm using now, since it's working fine for me, or migrate over to another solution that I have a license for and has many of the features vbAdvanced has and it's including in the main forum software package.

[xTerMn8R]

Well All i have to say is that I'm certainly very happy that Brian is NOT so narrow in his View to stop supporting CMPS, and relizes that MANY folks will stick with it and continue to support his dilligent efforts to provide GREAT front end for vB.

vb after 5 years still cant add some style (get rid of Table format)to their pay Software, like many of the FREE php Bulletins do, so we'll see how there ver 4 and their own front end is, but honestly I wouldn't expect to much...

Stickin with CMPS,
xT

[Royalridge]

No-one has any idea what the vBulletin CMS will entail so until that is known no judgements can be made.Well from leaked memos we have an idea that it'll entail paying an extra $90 for it along with Blog and Project Tools.

[hajji]

Boys and gals, this is all hearsay, let just wait for the release first and see what happen.
Brian is not going anywhere, so do we so let us wait and focus on something else here.:D

[hajji]

Well from leaked memos we have an idea that it'll entail paying an extra $90 for it along with Blog and Project Tools.I don't need Blog and Project Tools if I don't need it I might not even get vb 4.0 at all and stick with the previous version period.

[RaZor Edge]

Brian has already committed that vBa CMPS will indeed live on and will be around for the foreseeable future. :cool:

Hi,

I'm using vBadvanced CMPS/Dynamics for some time now, and I would like to continue to do so!

Was it said if these two products will be made (at least) compatible with VB4?

[KW802]

Hi,

I using vBadvanced CMPS/Dynamics for some time now, and I would like to continue to do so!

Was it said if these two products will be made (at least) compatible with VB4?I should have clarifed my earlier quote above... Brian has fully committed that all of the current vBadvanced products (vBa CMPS, vBa Dynamics, and vBa Links) will be updated & support with the upcoming vB4.

With the new accelerated alpha & beta testing being done with vB4 it is unknown at this time if all of the vBa products will be compatible with vB4 the first day that vB4 goes to Gold status. If they are not, then they will be made compatible ASAP.

[RaZor Edge]

That is clear! Thank you for the clarification.

[paintballer.ie]

Personally, I pay for CMPS in order to obtain a brand-free license. For me, it's premium software.

However, it is significant percentage of those that utilize a free/branded license that will likely attempt to switch first when vb's cms product is first released. Even if it's buggy and creates havoc, there will be those that would rather go that route than to be conservative and stick with what works.

If vb's new CMS is wonderful and innovative, as previously pointed out it doesn't mean the world will switch to vb4 right away. Besides, we'll still be using the other great products here.

I am like you, I pay for vba for the brand free license and to give a little back as it is a great piece of software that allows one to create whole website around their forum.

But depending on how big the changes are I may just stick with vb3 and my vba site. I have too many hacks and systems in place, that in trying to get them all up and running on vb4 may be too much to handle.

It would be interesting to see it any ideas from teh vb cms can be used in updated versions of vba 3 etc. From what I read on vb.com, there is a lot of social networking stuff going on inters of modules for friends/ buddies etc.

[RaceJunkie]

I don't see vb making a new out of the box CMS to even come close to what Brian has done here with vBa CMPS. I to use a brand free vBa CMPS and will continue to do so unless something better comes along which I don't see that happening anytime soon..

[GregoryK]

Personally I'm very happy with vBadvanced and while I'll probably upgrade to vB4.0 as long as vBadvanced will work with v4.0 I have no need or desire to upgrade to the suite. I don't use PT or Blogs so those would just be something to keep disabled.

[Alfa1]

Now that some more is clear about what vb4 suite does, what are the plans with vba CMPS development?

[KW802]

Now that some more is clear about what vb4 suite does, what are the plans with vba CMPS development?In regards to? As mentioned before, vBa CMPS, along with vBa Links & vBa Dynamics, will be available for vB4.

[whitepython]

so lets see, in few words, vBadvanced its going to still be among us in the vb4 era? i dont mean to sound like prick but, id like to learn brian's opinion about this :)

[Fred Weiss]

Judging from the virtual fire storm at the vbulletin forum over the announced license changes, I'm not so sure a significant percentage will go for it as it has been presented today.

[Samir]

I'm not at all impressed with the CMS available in the vb4 suite. It looks like Joomla hacked to work with vb.

[CareyCrew]

so lets see, in few words, vBadvanced its going to still be among us in the vb4 era? i dont mean to sound like prick but, id like to learn brian's opinion about this :)


The question has already been clearly answered......... YES vBa CMPS is beng written for vB4.

[HappyFeet]

Hey guys, I'm a nobody here but wanted to give my .02 cents on the vB4.

When I got vBa CMPS, it took my site to a new level. I love it, & I've put a ton of work into it. Thank you Brian! I've been a fast learner with the vB software so far, but I'm a commercial refrigeration technician by trade, not a coder, programmer or graphic designer. I've had to learn a lot to say the least... I've put a lot of hard work and sleepless nights into what I have now. The CMS Suite looks promising but I can't justify fixing something that is not broken at this point and the only "hands on" we have with vB4 is screenshots. The fact that my custom styles and templates may or may not be overwritten and lost when upgrading raises my brow. The Mods I've installed may or may not cross over. I have pages built into CMPS and several more almost finished.

Basically for me, I see having to start over if I jump ship now. I'm not that gullible or antsy to change immediately. I'll be watching from the side lines.

Brian, I for one, really look forward to a vB4 version of CMPS.

I just renewed my license and upgraded to 3.8.4 so as I understand it, I can upgrade to the vB4 forum for free while my license is still active and receive updates until it expires, at which point I will have to purchase the new one time license for the life of vB4. Since I have basically a year of license left, I'll wait on the new CMPS if I even choose to upgrade to vB4.

I just hate the thought of having to re-do so many custom modifications, it's a hard pill to swallow. I'm a little nervous...:(

[smithxxl]

The question has already been clearly answered......... YES vBa CMPS is beng written for vB4.

Now you are being rude. whitepython was wanting Brian's input and official roadmap. I don't know the future of what I'm going to do with my site yet. But if this is the kind of attitude that vBadvanced is promoting, I might go with v4 Publishing Suite. And Kudos to HappyFeet and his post!!!

[KW802]

so lets see, in few words, vBadvanced its going to still be among us in the vb4 era? i dont mean to sound like prick but, id like to learn brian's opinion about this :)As a vBa staff member, is my word good enough? :o

As stated earlier, all of the existing vBa products (CMPS, Links, Dynamics) will be updated for vB4. They may not be ready on Day 1 of vB4 going to Gold status but all of the products will be updated.

[whitepython]

alright, no need to fight, ill trust KW802 word on this, thanks to this information i can take the best decision now that is time to evolve or die :)

[Samir]

Now you are being rude. whitepython was wanting Brian's input and official roadmap. I don't know the future of what I'm going to do with my site yet. But if this is the kind of attitude that vBadvanced is promoting, I might go with v4 Publishing Suite. And Kudos to HappyFeet and his post!!!They just get this question a lot. I got the same response in red. I guess it needs to be posted somewhere prominently.

[Samir]

Hey guys, I'm a nobody here but wanted to give my .02 cents on the vB4.

When I got vBa CMPS, it took my site to a new level. I love it, & I've put a ton of work into it. Thank you Brian! I've been a fast learner with the vB software so far, but I'm a commercial refrigeration technician by trade, not a coder, programmer or graphic designer. I've had to learn a lot to say the least... I've put a lot of hard work and sleepless nights into what I have now. The CMS Suite looks promising but I can't justify fixing something that is not broken at this point and the only "hands on" we have with vB4 is screenshots. The fact that my custom styles and templates may or may not be overwritten and lost when upgrading raises my brow. The Mods I've installed may or may not cross over. I have pages built into CMPS and several more almost finished.

Basically for me, I see having to start over if I jump ship now. I'm not that gullible or antsy to change immediately. I'll be watching from the side lines.

Brian, I for one, really look forward to a vB4 version of CMPS.

I just renewed my license and upgraded to 3.8.4 so as I understand it, I can upgrade to the vB4 forum for free while my license is still active and receive updates until it expires, at which point I will have to purchase the new one time license for the life of vB4. Since I have basically a year of license left, I'll wait on the new CMPS if I even choose to upgrade to vB4.

I just hate the thought of having to re-do so many custom modifications, it's a hard pill to swallow. I'm a little nervous...:(I'm in the same boat. I need a forum solution that is business-class since I'm trying to run a business. And I recently visited the IPB site and was very impressed. They have solutions for businesses. And with the vb4 announcement and having to basically start over, I have a strong reason to investigate the competition.

[buoy]

I'm in the same boat. I need a forum solution that is business-class since I'm trying to run a business. And I recently visited the IPB site and was very impressed. They have solutions for businesses. And with the vb4 announcement and having to basically start over, I have a strong reason to investigate the competition.

I would seriously take time to think about IPB for your core. It's a fine application but not supported as well as vBulletin or has the 3rd party add-on interest.

[Samir]

I would seriously take time to think about IPB for your core. It's a fine application but not supported as well as vBulletin or has the 3rd party add-on interest.That may be true, but I really don't think vb4 and vb going forward is going to be what it was. The rollout of the new licensing feels like a danger sign of things to come. I have no faith in the code rollouts being better than the license debacle. Better to take one step backward than four.

[m002.p]

Live on vbadvanced!!!!

Ive used this product since early v3.0 and will NEVER move to vbulletins CMS. The modules I have and mods I have used vbadvanced for would be too much work changing to something my users are not familar with.

Weldone Brian & the team, keep your amazing work up!

[cclaerhout]

As many French people, I have a critical mind. Among my criticisms, there was the one a few years ago that pointed the long time Brian had took to make CMPS fully compatible with translations whereas It can be easily made. Today I would like to say a very big "Big Thank" to Brian either for his decision to continue the development of CMPS, or his tenacity to have created for free such a good product so much loved by the vB Community. Thanks to him, many Websites (big AND SMALL [Hello vB(4).com guys!]) and many communities succeeded to be created.

One more time : -Thank you-.

[Designer]

I for one am dreading upgrading to V4 (if i do at all) and from the screenshots I really dont like the look of 'their' CMS and it reminds me of some awful wordpress template for some reason.

I will be sticking with vBa :) and i'd like to take the oppertunity to thank Brian for all his hard work that has benefited so many.

[seangworld]

hmm....good post. now im wondering if i should actually upgrade....

[chabbs]

They're actually in the middle of updating the vBulletin forum to a beta version of VB 4. I'm looking forward to seeing what it looks like. The CMS will not be available for preview.

[jhale1966]

Well, I have to admit that I got a bit excited reading about the new VB coming out (even earmarked the $130 for the upgrade) - I figured my site was still 'fresh' enough that it wouldn't be a big deal to upgrade.

Then reality set in...

VB is the FIRST Forum that I have actually PAID for in my life. I started with YaBB, went to phpBB - I even updated my Wildcat! BBS software (and bought a bunch of extras for it as well) but I don't classify that as a forum.

VB 4,0 looks all glitzy with the new forum looks and such, but, as I'm sure others feel, 3.8.4 works well and the incorporation of Brian's products makes it a VERY usable and modifiable system. It's easier to make your site feel like 'home' to your users and not look like everyone else.

I figure I can use the earmarked money for some other programs that work with the current version or register/donate for some of the ones I'm using now. I wish there were a few more things my site could do, but I'm happy with it as it stands and don't see the need to develop any headaches in trying to update it and then wait for the folks to update the addons that I currently use to make it feel like 'mine' again.

Anyway - my 2c. :)

[interfx]

As I look at the BETA of VB4.x, I was wondering does the VBa Links add-on work without utilizing VBa CMPS?

I like the new VB4.x CMS, but really like the VBa Links system - it is awesome! and my users are used to using it currently...

Thanks in advance -

[KW802]

As I look at the BETA of VB4.x, I was wondering does the VBa Links add-on work without utilizing VBa CMPS?

I like the new VB4.x CMS, but really like the VBa Links system - it is awesome! and my users are used to using it currently...

Thanks in advance -vBa CMPS, vBa CMPS, and vBa Dynamics are all independent products that do not require each other to run.

So, yes, when vBa Links is released to be compatible with vB4 then you'll be able to install just the vB4 version of vBa Links without having to also install the vB4 version of vBa CMPS.

[guttormson]

I plan to stick with vBadvanced. I have 3 large forums and they all use vBadvanced.

I wouldn't care if the new vB CMS were free.... vBadvanced is the best front end CMS in the world for vBulletin.

Not to mention that vB wants to charge me $130 for the new CMS without even allowing me to see it in action. Yeah right!

I'm glad to see that vBadvanced will be ported to vb 4.0.

[Firedshot]

I run a couple of site's one of which is run joomla which the new cmps looks like it's based on which when you first start is very confusing but very good when you get used to it

[interfx]

Kevin -

One last question, will the VBa products be able to easily imported via plugins? or products? into Vb4.x? I wasn;t sure if that was also chnaging in the new version.

Also will VBa products be available as Widgets? for the VB CMS product?

Thanks -

vBa CMPS, vBa CMPS, and vBa Dynamics are all independent products that do not require each other to run.

So, yes, when vBa Links is released to be compatible with vB4 then you'll be able to install just the vB4 version of vBa Links without having to also install the vB4 version of vBa CMPS.

[KW802]

One last question, will the VBa products be able to easily imported via plugins? or products? into Vb4.x? I wasn;t sure if that was also chnaging in the new version.The installation procedures will remain the same. There are no architectural changes to the vB4 platform that would require the installation method to change.

Also will VBa products be available as Widgets? for the VB CMS product?If you mean any of the existing modules that come with either CMPS or Dynamics, then no. Those modules were made for and are intended to be used with their corresponding vBa product. Now I am sure that people will create vB4 "widgets" that mimic the functionality of various vBa CMPS modules but there is no reason for any of the vBa modules to be re-written as vB4 widgets (and taking a vBadvanced module created by vBadvanced and rewriting it to work as a widget instead of a vBa module is not permissible).